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Like Levy, Milius is in the funny position of being at the intersection of many of these crosscurrents,

having worked in mainstream politics but appearing on so-called dissident podcasts

and being on the periphery of a cultural scene where right-wing politics have taken on a sheen approximating cool.

She said she was too “black-pilled”
—a very online term used to describe people who think that our world is so messed up that nothing can save it now
—to think much about what it would look like for her side to win.

“I could fucking trip over the curb,” Milius said, “and that’s going to be considered white supremacism.

Like, there’s nothing you can do. What the fuck isn’t white supremacism?”

“They’re going to come for everything,” she said.

“And I think it’s sinister
—not that I think that people who want to pay attention to race issues are sinister.

But I think that the globalization movement is using these divisive arguments in order to make people think that it’s a good thing.”

This is the Cathedral at work.