@markstos Heehee.

#FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo =

#FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo =

@ComputerBase For anyone who's never heard of / used #TreeStyleTab or #Sidebery, newish #TabGroups [atm they work better in Nightly than Release] probably seem fine. For we TST & especially Sidebery users though, they are absolutely not good enough, but hopefully will get more & more features & functions soon.

@zenbrowser By #TabFolders i presume you mean just the non-hierarchical flat arrangement per Firefox, Vivaldi, Chromium, but with your adaptations so they respect your Workspaces?

What about proper nestable trees, like in #TreeStyleTab & #Sidebery? Several months ago, in the reddit sub, you promised that you intended to have native tree tabs, not just folders. Several of us in your GitHub Issues have asked you about this, for months, but you have ignored the discussions there, never replying.

Pls can you let us know, one way or the other?

#ZenBrowser

@cynical13 @zenbrowser After being an early fan, i more or less abandoned #ZenBrowser several months ago, for its terrible unreliability, & various feature developments either of no interest to me, or which i actively disliked. Last week i decided to give it another chance... but in less than 24 hours it broke itself again [my various UI customisations reset to default], & lost all my tabs again.

Consequently:

#FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo =

#FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo =

@mauro Otoh i am officially #FUD-free.

#FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo =

#FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo =

@itsfoss #ImageMagick screencap: #Firefox with #Sidebery for #VerticalTabs, #IceWM with #ShadesOfGrey on #Arch #GNU+#Linux
#Apps at sight: #Geany #Zathura #Viewnior #DeltaChat #Dino #Jami #LXTerminal #PCManFM #fs
https://imagemagick.org/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/
https://ice-wm.org
https://archlinux.org/
https://www.gnu.org/
https://www.geany.org/
https://pwmt.org/projects/zathura/
https://siyanpanayotov.com/project/viewnior/
https://delta.chat/en/
https://dino.im/
https://jami.net/
https://www.lxde.org/

@mconley Yes, & also nice is the new middle-click to save & close tab-group.

What's still not nice is:

• Tab-Groups saved & closed with >~22 tabs, lose all those others, then garble the sequence of the survivors. This seriously limits the usefulness of this function.
• still no nesting / tab-trees available

Hence i still need to retain #Sidebery.

@firefoxnightly

@fnwbr And yet, here i be, revelling in the delightful UX that is my , with all the #telemetry disabled, the #AI disabled, numerous other parameters hardened via my #userJS, with the exquisite #Sidebery & its infinitely-nestable tree-tabs & multiple #Workspaces on its LHS, & the brilliant project #FirefoxSecondSidebar with my 21 #WebPanels on its RHS. It's such a great daily browsing UX, unfazed by the last ten days of global #FUD [all the so-called nasties can be disabled, either via simple clicks in the Settings UI, or otherwise via about:config / user.js]. Herd-mentality is a ridiculous trait of humans.

#FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo =

#FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo =

@MsDropbear42 Oh ffs, this latest experiment with #ZenBrowser has ended after only a few hours, due to yet another catastrophic failure, preceded by various annoyances:

• the dedicated Search Bar refused to show the drop-down menu of alternative search engines [works fine in and ]
• the #Stylus AO refused to respond to clicks on its various usage & management icons in its drop-down menu [works fine in and ]
• a link i opened from my Masto #Statuzer page decided to behave like i'd used #Glance [i did not], then when i converted it into a normal tab, entirely froze the Statuzer tab
• wondering if possibly restarting Zen might fix the above, i tried to do so, which then destroyed my carefully crafted Zen profile... what ensued was a UI without various standard changes i'd made [eg, the Search Bar was gone again, the native tabs bar refused to Collapse again], but worst of all, all my open tabs were gone... again

My dear old might be less pretty, less visually exciting, & might not have native split tabs, but far out it is & remains way way waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more reliable than Zen. I mean, it's really a bit silly... is Alpha, is Beta, yet the former is generally rock solid reliable in the ~decade i've been using it. Otoh, all my experiments with Zen, over the past ~12-18 months, have ended in disappointment, frustration, & often also destruction.

So, yet again, i return to...

#FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo =

#FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo =

@violenteastcoastcity

#FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo =

#FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo =

@thelinuxEXP Hi Nick. Oh well, fwiw, i continue to trust my , but i reinforce that sense of equanimity with my long-standing disabling of all the telemetry, both via the UI Preferences check-boxes, & my discrete additions to my user.js. I do not defend Mozilla's unbelievably hamfisted binfire they created last week & subsequently, but i do til further notice accept their explanation [&, as i said, i have forced all telemetry off anyway].

11 [which i think you installed] is nearing end-of-life [but i happily ran it for over a year til a few months ago], & #Floorp 12 via recently released Beta is improving each few days but so far remains very broken & feature-incomplete.

was a very interesting option i ran for several months, but have largely lost interest in it nowadays as its development has headed off in areas of little interest to me, whilst neglecting features of importance to me.

#Tor #LibreWolf #Waterfox all fail to meet my daily usability preferences.

So til further notice, i remain happily in this mode, fwiw:

#FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo =

#FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo =

Best wishes with your alternative choices, hope it all goes well for you.

@dominic @Jerry

#FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo =

#FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo =

@zephyrxero

#FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo =

#FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo =

@dpecos @Vivaldi Coz my actions & decisions are predicated on facts, not #FUD, until actual adverse facts emerge [wildly speculative bush-lawyering are not "facts"], ufn i remain happily...

#FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo =

#FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo =

@kinetix @mitten It's not for me to recommend, coz i have no way of knowing other peep's use-cases, threat models, & UX priorities. However i'll illustrate with some dot points for me... but none of this might pertain to you/others. Everyone needs to make their own decision.

• privacy & security are high priority for me
• a sophisticated browser UX is high priority for me, including high levels of customisability
• the preceding two points are clearly in collision, & when that arises, i tip towards UX over P&S, so long as P&S still remain above my acceptable minimum thresholds
• thus, all chromium browsers are off the table for me, coz... google, & Mv3, thus no more uBO... i refuse to accept that
• so it still needs to be a Gecko browser for me, meaning... original FF, or fork?
• i've tested & rejected both #Tor & #Librewolf, coz both have sacrificed too much UX for P&S
• i've extensively tested & used for several months, both #Floorp & #ZenBrowser. I was initially very thrilled by both, but the latter is now heading off in UX directions completely anathema to me, whilst the former [being atm still v11, ie, #ESR-forked] is several months overdue on release of its heralded v12 that will be rebased to FF-release version. I keenly await this.
• so for the time being, i remain happily using ...

#FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, #Floorp, #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo =

#FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo =

• the same positive UX + P&S combo also pertains [for me; i am NOT generalising to other peeps] for vanilla #Firefox, it's just that i like being more on the cutting edge for faster arrival of new goodies & bug fixes.
  

Fwiw.